Bob M. 7/18/2018 2:39 PM
Looking for source for Fender type on/off standby switches...
I recently did a repair on a mid-60s BF Fender amp where I replaced the standby switch. I put in a switch that looked very similar with identical specs but with a slightly longer bat handle. It worked fine/perfectly. But the amp's owner/user a few days later asked me to change it out with a switch that had the same bat handle length as the original. He made a good point; it's an older amp - worth some money and should look stock, even with replaced parts.

Does anyone know a good source for these SPST on/off and standby switches. Most of the ones in my stock are the longer bat handle versions and I must've bought these because I couldn't find the shorter bat handle versions at that time. I usually shop pretty carefully and price is important to me (and my customers) so I don't always partronize the musician/amp specific businesses (unless it's a part that no one else has).

Thanks for your time,

Bob M.
 
Jazz P Bass 7/18/2018 4:20 PM
How much 'longer' is the bat handle?

Trying to source an identical 50 year old switch is tough.
 
Leo_Gnardo 7/18/2018 4:31 PM
Quote Originally Posted by Jazz P Bass View Post
How much 'longer' is the bat handle?

Trying to source an identical 50 year old switch is tough.
Ruby/Magic Parts has the correct item but they only sell to the trade and they're not going to accept an order for one switch. Antique/CE sells the long bat version, no point looking there.

For a real challenge try finding toggle switches that have a spherical knob on the end of the bat, found on amps from the 1930's thru mid 50's. Never have seen those for sale.
 
olddawg 7/18/2018 5:11 PM
A lot of people don't like to use used/recycled parts. But I've always had very good luck finding parts for restorations at various Goodwills and Thrift Stores (even in their dumpsters). Many "period" electrics use the same parts. You might find a switch in an old blender or such. Their not as plentiful as they once were but I used to get lots of 12AX7s out of discarded clock radios. It's worth a look out back. Anything odd, old, or not working they tend to throw in the trash.
 
Enzo 7/18/2018 5:53 PM
Lots of stuff like that. Old table fans, old electric mixers, look for old appliances.

Home Depot

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-...-125/300374265

https://www.homedepot.com/s/toggle%2520switch?NCNI-5
 
g1 7/18/2018 6:05 PM
Like Jazz said above. How much longer? Is the original shorter than Fender are using in the re-issues?
If it's shorter than this one, I'd suggest to the owner he must change them all so they are a matching set:
https://www.tubesandmore.com/product...acement-fender
 
mozz 7/18/2018 6:13 PM
Does it have a ground switch?
 
Randall 7/18/2018 8:09 PM
Good Lord, really? This is how silly this has all become, we are measuring the length of switch handles because we think it will effect the amp's value? I say hogwash, and I would tell any customer that. Put in a Carling replacement, and get on with your life, IMHO.
 
The Dude 7/18/2018 8:26 PM
I "sort of" agree. That said, the customer is always right. Albeit ridiculous, if that's what he wants, you should give it to him. IMO, It's a rear panel switch and nobody is going to see it anyway. I would, however, charge him appropriately for my time to track down a period correct switch. Being picky shouldn't be free.
 
Leo_Gnardo 7/18/2018 8:34 PM
Quote Originally Posted by Randall View Post
Good Lord, really? This is how silly this has all become, we are measuring the length of switch handles because we think it will effect the amp's value? I say hogwash, and I would tell any customer that. Put in a Carling replacement, and get on with your life, IMHO.
Funny thing, both the short and long bat switches are made by Carling. And I agree with you about how silly it is. Amp owners who think they're collectors, or that they may have to satisfy the whims of collectors somehow, PHOOEY! So now I keep both types in stock, just so I don't have to hear some weenie whining about how "it doesn't look right." So far nobody with an antique amp that had those sphere-tipped toggle bats has given me a hard time about me installing a modern switch, thank hevvins.
 
DrGonz78 7/19/2018 1:37 PM
Not sure if it was mentioned already... A possible solution to this problem could be to remove both toggle switches from the amp and replace them with two matching ones. At least in this way you have two matching switches and I think that is what bugs the OCD type people that get so concerned about silly little things in the first place.
 
nevetslab 7/19/2018 2:44 PM
Then there are these little gems, that were always available in Hughes Aircraft Parts Store for building projects back in the 70's. Arrow Hart SPDT Gold Plated Toggle. Mil-spec switch.

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Leo_Gnardo 7/19/2018 3:37 PM
Quote Originally Posted by nevetslab View Post
Then there are these little gems, that were always available in Hughes Aircraft Parts Store for building projects back in the 70's. Arrow Hart SPDT Gold Plated Toggle. Mil-spec switch.
Ah, that's precisely THE RIGHT STUFF nevets! Now all's I gots to do is get in my time machine, go back and pick up a box full of those babies. Well at least I stocked up on knobs from a Boeing 707 cockpit, in case I ever have to fix a 707. They're actually pretty kool! TWO set screws. Now that's what I call having a backup system. Geeze I miss working in North Hollywood, with nearby access to those well-stocked surplus stores in beautiful downtown Burbank.
 
g1 7/19/2018 4:23 PM
Leo, have a look at this page, some toggle's with the sphere although the bats look kind of short to me.
http://www.surplussales.com/switches/SWToggle-1.html
 
Leo_Gnardo 7/19/2018 4:36 PM
Quote Originally Posted by g1 View Post
Leo, have a look at this page, some toggle's with the sphere although the bats look kind of short to me.
WHOA! Nice find g1! Those are them - the original Arrow Harts, wow... And plenty of others, some of 'em look downright kinky - "British aircraft" parts. Those wacky Brits! Geeze now I'm gonna have to buy another set of Akro-Mils mini-drawers to hold my ever expanding collection. Thanks mate!
 
drewl 7/19/2018 6:36 PM
I do work for a few people that want stuff as original as possible for sale to collectors, but I'd have to think places like Mojo etc. Have the correct replacement switches.
 
Leo_Gnardo 7/19/2018 8:00 PM
Quote Originally Posted by drewl View Post
I do work for a few people that want stuff as original as possible for sale to collectors, but I'd have to think places like Mojo etc. Have the correct replacement switches.
I haven't yet found a place that sells both short and long bat Carling switches. In fact when I first ordered what I thought was the standard SPST from CE it turned out to be the long bat type. Woops, back to Magic for the ol' standard Fender short bat. Well at least I can get the knob end ones now from Nebraska. What a relief.
 
Bob M. 7/21/2018 11:56 AM
Well, I can see both viewpoints. Older Fender amps bring premium bucks and I have an obligation to my customers to maintain the value of their item, just as I wouldn't put Telecaster knobs on a '57 Strat. In general, I don't debate with my customers but just carry out their wishes, within reason. I think this, in this case, is a reasonable request. Some of you would be surprised at the sophistication of some of the musician/collectors about small cosmetic details of amp collecting. With Fenders, this is at the high point of the triangle. If I were fixing one of my older Fender amps (like my 1958 5F6-A) and I had a choice to put in the correct length bat handle switch or a longer bat, I'd pick the shorter, correct stock length so it looks cosmetically correct even though both switches work electrically exactly the same. It's the difference between a collector's piece that's a 9.5 and a piece that's a 7.0 once you start using any part that works without taking restoration into account and that can mean several hundred dollars difference in value in the collector's world.

A couple of other points:
1) I never use scavenged or used parts on a customer's item unless there is no other choice and then, with his knowledge and permission.
2) The bat handle in question is a few millimeters longer than the stock switch but noticeable to a non-technical musician. Sometimes, on my own gear, I like it if one switch (the on-off) is a little longer than the other (the standby) because it's easier to figure out which-is-which with a groping hand on a dark stage.
3) Yes, North Hollywood is the world headquarters of great electronic parts stores because of all the aircraft, musical instrument amps and light industry manufacturing in that part of the world. When I make my movie, I'll be filming at Apex.

I like to carry a wide assortment of parts, vintage and modern. Just like tubes, where I stock alot of NOS stuff (Mullard, Telefunken, RCA, GE) and well as currently made stuff to please all type of customers and characters. Some players don't care at all where others care desperately about these kinda things. I try not to make value judgements. If some guy thinks he plays better because he's got a Telefunken tube(s) in his amp, then he does. Musicians are almost always looking for an edge. That's why certain guys can sell guitar cables (for several hundred dollars) that are wound by hand by nude nubian slaves on the moon (and get away with it).

Leo, that's great you can fix 707s. I'll have to work up to that one. My last big success beyond MI stuff was fixing the 40,000 watt electron microscope at Boston College, scientific division. That thing makes an SVT look like a Champ!

Bob M.
 
Tone Meister 7/22/2018 7:09 AM
Quote Originally Posted by Leo_Gnardo View Post
I haven't yet found a place that sells both short and long bat Carling switches. In fact when I first ordered what I thought was the standard SPST from CE it turned out to be the long bat type. Woops, back to Magic for the ol' standard Fender short bat. Well at least I can get the knob end ones now from Nebraska. What a relief.
I think this one is correct. https://www.mojotone.com/amp-parts/S...r-Stand-Switch

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nevetslab 7/26/2018 12:20 PM
Sadly, Apex out in Sun Valley closed it's doors years ago when Bill Slater, it's owner passed on. His son Steve Slater formed Apex Jr, and I used to run into him when the TRW Radio Amateur Technical Swap Meets were running the last Saturday of every month. That event, as well as the General Dynamics tech swap meet in Pomona also closed. C & H Sales in Pasadena also closed years ago. The only surplus store, that used to be Joe Factor sales in Burbank was purchased and moved a bit west, still open and still in Burbank. Hardware only, no metric...great source for fasteners, but little to none in Electronic gear...sometimes parts, just not their normal assets. Once ebay took off, all the former swap meet sellers that handled great gear and parts stopped showing up and began selling on ebay. Earls Supply, later known as Industrial Liquidators, closed up in Hawthorne, but had kept their operation open in San Diego.

Pacific Radio used to be down the street from Yale Radio on Sunset Blvd, both being where you went when you were doing maintenance work in the Recording industry. Yale closed up, Pacific Radio moved west a bit, then opened another store in Burbank, now in walking distance from my shop at CenterStaging. Good for sourcing raw cable footage, heat shrink, connectors, rack hardware, tools, but no longer carry electronic parts.

And, one by one, electronic stores like Electronic City in Burbank, Dow Radio in Culver City and Pasadena went bye bye, and you're left with the likes of Fry's where at best, you'll find an empty wall peg where what you're looking for had once been and salesmen have no clue what you're even asking about.

So, gone are the days when you could walk into an electronic store with a shopping list and come away with 80% of what you need. At least in the LA/North Hollywood area. Welcome to on-line ordering and shipping costs, and get hit again when you suddenly find you need something else, and they've already closed the order....now a new shipping charge!
 
Tone Meister 7/27/2018 1:06 PM
The Carling 110-63 SPST 2 position switch in post #19 is the exact switch used in Fender amps since the 50's. They're $3.44 before shipping if you have an account.
 
tubedood 7/27/2018 4:33 PM
Hoffman Amps has the Fender "Short Bat" style (I believe they are the ones your looking for), I was just about to order one for my little 5F2-A project. Here's the link,

Dale

https://hoffmanamps.com/MyStore/perl...R_ID=!ORDERID!
 
Tone Meister 7/30/2018 8:42 PM
Quote Originally Posted by tubedood View Post
Hoffman Amps has the Fender "Short Bat" style (I believe they are the ones your looking for), I was just about to order one for my little 5F2-A project. Here's the link,

Dale

https://hoffmanamps.com/MyStore/perl...R_ID=!ORDERID!

Yep, same switch for $0.80 more than the one from Mojotone. Carling 110-63 SPST
 
drewl 7/31/2018 8:29 AM
Quote Originally Posted by Tone Meister View Post
The Carling 110-63 SPST 2 position switch in post #19 is the exact switch used in Fender amps since the 50's. They're $3.44 before shipping if you have an account.
Hmmm.